Posts by refiners fire

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Were you ever surprised by who DIDN'T shun you?

by berylblue in

refiners fire

This matter of shunning is something ive never thought over much about because my whole family left the org about the same time. So it never caused me any serious inconvenience, certainly it never caused me deep hardship such as a poster like "ozziepost" suffers at the hands of his own children.

But this week, for some reason, I have been thinking upon it and remembering things. Remembering how, whenever i encountered a dub I would never know, as they approached me, whether they would stop and speak, or address me and keep walking, or move past pretending I didnt exist, or turn aside with a look of disgust on their face. Even after many years out of the org, whenever I was forced by circumstance into their milieu ( such as at my fathers funeral) I would find myself suffering silently as some treated me like something that crawled from the sewer while others came up all concerned and emotional, all touchy feely with me.Its a hurtful thing to see someone you thought was fond of you turn aside from you with a facial expression like you are a slug that just crawled from under a rock. Why should THEY have that right? Why do I put up with it?

I eventually tired of playing their game and became exceeding angry over the whole thing. Why should they dictate the terms of association after 25 years out of the org? So I choose, if I encounter them again, to ignore them all now, even the ones who would give signals that they might approach me.We have nothing in common any more anyway.

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Jesus Had John the Baptist Killed?

by StinkyPantz in

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in the bible we are told that when paul visited ephesus and corinth as the first missionary in the area he found already in existence a flourishing church of john - john the baptist - but the followers of john had not even heard of jesus.

today the mandaeans of modern iran and iraq have held john in special reverence for 2000 years calling him the "high king of light.

" jesus is referred to as a "usurper" who "perverted all the cults and turned light into darkness.

refiners fire

yeah. What I REALLY want to know is why these archeologists,historyphiles and vulcanologists, etc go around searching for and hypothesizing "logical" explanations for the temporary drying up of the river Jordan in 1450BC (or thereabouts) so the Israelites could cross into the promised land. I mean, is there any evidence any of it even happened? Who gives them the money to go in pursuit of evidence for such ridiculous and pointless research?

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Jesus Had John the Baptist Killed?

by StinkyPantz in

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friends

in the bible we are told that when paul visited ephesus and corinth as the first missionary in the area he found already in existence a flourishing church of john - john the baptist - but the followers of john had not even heard of jesus.

today the mandaeans of modern iran and iraq have held john in special reverence for 2000 years calling him the "high king of light.

" jesus is referred to as a "usurper" who "perverted all the cults and turned light into darkness.

refiners fire

Well since the technical experts, the Biblical researchers and University professors started examining the Jesus myth Ive heard lots of variations on Jesus history:

I heard that he recovered from being crucified and went to the west, married Mary Magdalene and produced a bloodline of descendants that persists to this day.

I also heard that his mother Mary had sex with a Roman legionaire and jesus was his bastard son and Mary concocted the miracuolous birth story so dumb old Joseph would still marry her.

I heard that Jesus was a very charismatic hunchback, who was skilled in the art of mesmerism and He and Judas Iscariot planned out , to the last detail, Judas role as 'traitor' .

But I never heard one of Jesus bein a murderer before.

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AWAKE! asks, are we Slaves of fashion?

by plmkrzy in

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refiners fire

..."overweight elder's wives in sacks badly fitting polyester suits, hairpieces that look like roadkill,"...

stop it. Im getting excited.

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JWD Maps - Australia

by Lady Lee in

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well here you go ozzies.

your own map.. one problem.

i need names.

refiners fire

Its a good job Smacks the only poster in Tassie. Its pretty crowded down there.

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JWD Maps - Australia

by Lady Lee in

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well here you go ozzies.

your own map.. one problem.

i need names.

refiners fire

Cant figure out how to put an entry on it.

Im in Melbourne. About 2 millimetres to the right of centre.

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New here, got a question

by kj in

i just wanted to let you know how much i have enjoyed reading your posts.

i am not and have never been a jw, but my husband and i both have a lot of family who are.

my mother was sucked into it in 1999. i have a question, is it true that jws are forbidden to set foot in any church other than the kingdom hall?

refiners fire

Your aunt has a very fine Christian conscience. It will not allow her to attend a family party because a DF person is in attendance, but it will allow her to rummage at church jumble sales because she can save 5 dollars on clothing. Typical dub think.

I attended a wedding once where the grooms parents refused to attend unless I was struck off the guest list because they couldnt sit in the same ROOM as a DF person. He told them the wedding could get by without them. So they didnt attend their own sons wedding. Hows that one?

JWs specialize in practising emotional blackmail on those they hold nearest and dearest.

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New here, got a question

by kj in

i just wanted to let you know how much i have enjoyed reading your posts.

i am not and have never been a jw, but my husband and i both have a lot of family who are.

my mother was sucked into it in 1999. i have a question, is it true that jws are forbidden to set foot in any church other than the kingdom hall?

refiners fire

KJ.

Thats interestin. The dubs have a peculiar angle on things involving a buck. They are allowed to deal with the devil if theres money involved. Years ago, I recall, there used to be a dub lived opposite my flat. I was DF and every morning and every night we would walk past each other and ignore each other, he ignored me cause I was DF see. Anyway, one afternoon I come home and he comes rushing out of his house smiling warmly. "MAATTEEE....Jimbo...how are ya"? Hadnt spoken to me or even LOOKED me in the eye in 2 years. I wondered what the hell was going on. Anyway, it turned out he had heard there was a job at the place I worked and he wanted a recommendation from me, a good word in the bosses ear. See he was allowed to speak to me now, because the dollar was involved.

True!!

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New here, got a question

by kj in

i just wanted to let you know how much i have enjoyed reading your posts.

i am not and have never been a jw, but my husband and i both have a lot of family who are.

my mother was sucked into it in 1999. i have a question, is it true that jws are forbidden to set foot in any church other than the kingdom hall?

refiners fire

Indeed, KJ, you can see some variety of opinion within this thread.Every dub reads the WT words of wisdom and puts his own slight twist on the interpretation. Certainly the matter of church attendance is not totally cut and dried. But you can clearly see from the responses here that no dub would attend a "babylon" church for ANY reason without a lot of personal soul searching beforehand.

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New here, got a question

by kj in

i just wanted to let you know how much i have enjoyed reading your posts.

i am not and have never been a jw, but my husband and i both have a lot of family who are.

my mother was sucked into it in 1999. i have a question, is it true that jws are forbidden to set foot in any church other than the kingdom hall?

refiners fire

Some aspects of belief are beyond dispute in the JWs and everyone accepts them. Going door to door would be one such thing. Noone would question its necessity as a condition of salvation. Other things are less certain and,to a degree, are matters of individual choice, things that the WT org gives either strong or weak indications of direction upon. Id say the matter of attending other churches has been fairly strongly banned by the JW org and certainly no witness would attend church services out of interest in hearing what had to be said.

Doubtless some dubs rummage about at Church jumble sales, but they would be looking over their shoulder to see if a dub was driving past who might spot them. I ve known people who foamed at the mouth in a rage at the thought of attending a funeral service for their brother if it was being held in a Lutheran church,these ones had very finely tuned consciences and certainly appeared extremely holy before men. While others,I expect, would choose to attend the funeral for family reasons but certainly wouldnt spread the fact of their attendance around lest it "stumble" a brother.